Religion Saving Society, Poor Atheists Not

Community based on tradition has always been the foundation of successful societies. Religion has been the rock upon the which the common weal succeeds. In recent decades this has been under attack, very successfully, and now we find ourselves in the midst of a society that props up mediocrity and funds total failure and that society points to their result as the need to do more of it. Failure has become a government program and it will grow as the failure of government at all levels grows.

Now we find that it is not the traditionalists that are ignorant, but those that say they are.

Inequality Grows As Poor, Ignorant Atheists Swamp US

In fact, some recent research reveals, it is almost the other way round.  According to the American Sociological Association, the uneducated and the poor (often of course the same people) are dropping God like a hot brick; the ‘bitter clingers’ are increasingly better educated and more affluent than the unchurched.

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Second, the increasing disconnect between many poor and poorly educated Americans and the values and ideas that make for success in this society is in part a consequence of efforts by well meaning liberals to keep religion out of schools.  By what we teach and what we don’t teach, what we talk about and where the silences are, we convey clear messages to young children.  We have been broadcasting a clear message to two generations of young people that religion doesn’t matter.

The greatest victims of this fraud and deceit are, as usual, the most vulnerable and needy among us.

The "reforms" within historical churches (Episcopal comes to my mind) have done great damage to society as they have run away from their charge to help those least able to help themselves within their communities and lobbied for the government to do so on their behalf codifying an atheist hand-out society of poor and illiterate people.

It’s Sunday And Time For Another Rowan (& Martin) Williams Embarrassment

Blessed are the Spongers? That’s not what St Paul said, Archbishop

Dear Rowan believes, no doubt, that Jesus was at least a liberal if not a communist which means that Canterbury needs to embrace every left wing endeavor with all the passion the now secular church has in its small black heart. The coffers are emptying and the pews are empty. And Jesus is weeping.

Epic Episcopal Fail

This is tolerance... this is open-mindedness...
I will particularly ignore those members of my own Episcopal Church who seek to break away from this body to form a "new church," claiming that this new and bigoted instrument alone now represents the Anglican Communion. Such a new ecclesiastical body is designed to allow these pathetic human beings, who are so deeply locked into a world that no longer exists, to form a community in which they can continue to hate gay people, distort gay people with their hopeless rhetoric and to be part of a religious fellowship in which they can continue to feel justified in their homophobic prejudices for the rest of their tortured lives. Church unity can never be a virtue that is preserved by allowing injustice, oppression and psychological tyranny to go unchallenged. (emp mine)


The Bible says one thing, but Bishop John Shelby Spong states that it really says the opposite and that we are too intolerant and stupid to know any different. To some, I guess church unity in these modern times is more important than the Gospel.


I feel better knowing that I no longer am worthy of Spong's attention nor will I be subjected to his tolerance.

Truely Indicative Of The Episcopal Fall From Grace

Barbie gets ordained, and has the smells-and-bells wardrobe to match


With her careers as veterinarian, astronaut and U.S. president behind her, Barbie has at last found her true calling: as a second-career Episcopal priest.

The 11.5-inch-tall fictional graduate of Church Divinity School of the Pacific in Berkeley, Calif., has donned a cassock and surplice and is rector at St. Barbara’s-by-the-Sea in (where else?) Malibu, Calif.

She arrived at the church fully accessorized, as is Barbie’s custom. Her impeccably tailored ecclesiastical vestments include various colored chasubles (the sleeveless vestments worn at Mass) for every liturgical season, black clergy shirt with white collar, neat skirt and heels, a laptop with prepared sermon and a miniature, genuine Bible.

Apparently a devotee of the “smells and bells” of High Church tradition, the Rev. Barbie even has a tiny thurible, a metal vessel used for sending clouds of incense wafting toward heaven.
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Many of the Rev. Barbie’s online admirers asked about her career aspirations.

“How long till she is Bishop Barbie?” asked one.

Barbie couldn't do worse than Rowan Williams.

Episcopal Church: Jesus Who? Huh?

As my regular reader knows I was raised an an Episcopalian. In the small Episcopal church I attended as a youth the political became more important than the liturgy as the Vietnam War was won there and lost here. Even though my father stood us all up in the middle of another "baby killing" and "rapist" sermon and walked all eight of us down the aisle and out the door, never to return again, he and my mother still had hope.

The next year, as I entered the sixth grade, I was sent to Howe Military School (why is another story) which turned my life around in many ways and all to the good. Yes, it took two years of getting the most swats and detentions, but the slow turn to productivity and self discipline took place even as my mind fought it with every ounce of strength it had. Behind the scenes was Father Bowling. He changed my life.

Because of Father Bowling I studied long and hard in school and in his communion classes. They were rough, but he cajoled, gave support and punished us when we were woefully not doing as we should. Father Bowling understood the minds of boys just entering the "dirty" world of puberty and changed the change into something good and clean with his gentle, but firm direction. I can still remember the day I sat in a small room and was told I was now ready for confirmation. I exited the room and there stood Father Bowling with a big smile on his face. As we lounged on his lawn with his wife and children eating a celebratory meal I felt for the first time in my life that I had not just accomplished something, but something of import that was good.

Soon, I entered training to be an acolyte. Father Bowling was again right there beside us cajoling, supporting and guiding us along the path. The correct and respectful way to carry the cross at the head of processions (if you were lucky enough to be chosen), the best way to swing the incense (smells and bells!) and the timely ringing to Agnus Dei (Lamb of God) were under his watchful eye. The memory of the Corp singing "For All The Saints" still sends a chill down my spine. The Word of God was spoken each Sunday High Mass and Wednesday evening services in a dignified and glorious way. It was personal. It was the word of God.

After Howe I went to another private school, which was very elite and will remain unnamed, which was also Episcopal based, but tended to favor whatever had nothing to do with the Word of God. The congregation out did each other through hats, furs, expensive shoes and snooty attitudes. Not to be out done, the students wore blazers and ties with matching blue jean shirts and Top-Siders worn and scuffed to just the right amount of shabby chic. There was no true piety nor Glory. Most of us went to the gardens at the Greek amphitheater and smoked and told dirty jokes. My path downward was set and abetted by the church.

After years of fun filled drugs, alcohol and really great rock and roll I grew tired of the "life". My total failure as a husband and a father had caused my marriage to collapse. I was looking hard at myself and didn't like what I saw. An aging rock and roller standing there with a drink in one hand, a cigarette in the other and the echoes of CBGB's music rattling around in a bruised brain is not only not pretty, it is also not productive in a way that sucks the life out of those you love. Time for a change.

I started putting my life back together and still felt I was torn between the different lives I had constructed or had fallen into. I started work in the DC area and applied myself hard. Once again I felt myself turning back to the good. My children stood with me which to this day is amazing and wonderful. One day I walked into work and saw her. She wore a dress that reminded me of my grandmother and had a smile that left me unable to speak, but once I did, I couldn't stop. I had found a partner who put me back together again.

I took her to an Episcopal church which was my first time back in many years. It felt hollow. I then took her to the crown jewel of the Episcopal Church, North America, the National Cathedral. I explained that my sisters had attended school there and I had been baptized there. She stared at the felt banners proclaiming God's love of everything the Bible speaks against and she ran her fingers over the plaques with the names of those that had donated a window or this or that and said, "Lets get outta here. I'm spooked and standing on top of an admiral. Need more?"

She, being Catholic, took me to a Catholic church. I liked it. Because of my past we couldn't get married in the Catholic Church so we got married in an Anglican church. Ironically we now attend a Catholic church bearing my name which I share with a saint. My sisters still joke that they are going to donate lightening rods to protect the building when I attend, just to be on the safe side. Even more ironical, I found out that my father had been raised Catholic, but had switched to Episcopal for my mother when they married. He referred to Jesuits, who had beaten an education into him, as God's Black Shirts. He never mentioned his religious upbringing. I later found my/his relatives buried in Holy Cross and St. Vincent's cemeteries. A long way from St. Albans and the National Cathedral. Religiously, my two lives finally dovetailed in an odd way only my family could accomplish.

I still miss the Episcopal Church. But then I read things like this:

The Hypocrisy of the Left
I was pleased to find an Episcopal church whose website focused on religion, not ObamaCare. I left a message for the priest that I was looking for a church that didn't press a political agenda because I wasn't a liberal.

I received an icy reply from the priest, the Reverend Lucy, who said with barely-contained disgust, "I don't think you should check us out."

Her response left me shaken and angry. I understand that leftists despise conservatives. I have seen that creepy look of pure hatred when I naïvely told a leftist friend about my political conversion.

But an Episcopal priest rejecting me during the holiest time of year? Isn't anything or anyone sacred?

In shunning me, the Reverend Lucy exposed not only her own hypocrisy, but the duplicity of the left itself. She unveiled the left's dirty little secret -- that their doctrines are as bogus as global warming.

I am not surprised. At all. But I still miss Father Bowling and the intellectual and spiritual sustenence he provided to all that sought them (and a few who didn't).

(click on Episcopal tag for previous postings)

Church of England Gives Bum Rap

Via Barking Moonbat Early Warning System

In an almost dead heat, the Church of England and the Episcopal Church here in America, are spiraling downward in a total "who cares" state of affairs.

At the fourth post it appears the Church of England is leading by a nose with Rappin' Rowan at the reins:

Listen up, rappin' crew, come on in and take a pew... church tries to appeal to the young

In the beginning, the elders gathered and set up a mighty cry: How are we to get young people into church? And, lo, they decreed: Let there be rap.

In a move which risks ridicule, the Church of England has turned to street culture in the hope of attracting new blood.

A radio advert will appeal to the lapsed faithful to 'stop, turn around, walk back' to church on Sunday.

The spoken message, voiced by a series of actors, is described by the Church as 'a rap-style poem'.

The ad is the latest in a 15-year campaign by the C of E to use advertising to boost church attendances and attract the attention of those, in particular the young, who have no interest in Christianity.

Past efforts have met with mixed success. One mid-1990s slogan that declared Christmas to be a 'bad hair day' won universal mockery.

The C of E's usual Sunday attendance figures dropped below the one million figure at the turn of the millennium and have fallen at the most recent count to 871,000.

The new advert, produced by a Christian agency based in Bradford, aims to assure its young target audience that they do not need to dress up to go to church.

In defiance of the idea of Sunday best, the 40-second routine, which is not set to a drum beat, suggests that congregations where people make an effort to look smart could lack sincerity.
The grammar also does little credit to the C of E's efforts in the thousands of secondary and primary schools it helps run.

It says: 'Don't look to make no airs and graces. Faked up smiles and masked up faces. No need to make no innovation. Please accept this as your invitation.'

The poem won endorsement from Lambeth Palace, where the Archbishop of Canterbury's adviser on church growth, Canon Paul Bayes, said it was 'a great opportunity for churches to speak to their communities with the message of invitation.'

The advert will appear on commercial radio stations as part of a timeshare system in which parishes have been encouraged to club together with other local churches to buy airtime.
It is part of a 'Back to church Sunday' drive which hopes to bring in thousands of new worshippers on September 27. It is backed by churches in Scotland and Wales, Methodist and evangelical churches, although Roman Catholic leaders have not signed up.

Last year, its organisers say, some 37,000 lapsed members were drawn back to church on the campaign Sunday.

The Church of England (COE), which before the American Revolution demanded their priests pledge allegiance to the crown, was the reason for the First Amendment stating that Congress shall not establish a national religion ergo a national church. After the revolution, the Church of England was banned in America and replaced by the Episcopal Church (TEC).

(note, I was reared in the Episcopal Church, was an altar boy and loved the Church, but left when the church replaced religion with a secular progressive philosophy)

The "separation of church and state' phrase is not in the Bill of Rights or any other official document. The phrase, based on the philosophy of John Locke is in a letter to the Danbury Baptists authored by Thomas Jefferson.

I think a good visual showing the dichotomy or bi-polar sense of the church is Coventry Cathedral in England. The old cathedral of St Michael was destroyed by Nazi bombs during WWII and beginning in the 1950's the COE began designing an addition to the ruins for a new cathedral. The results are disastrous, a timelous example of historic FUGLYness and a shrine to COE's inability to reflect their mission of unity.

Repudiating Christ With Graciousness

Resolution D025 draws mixed responses
One day after adopting Resolution D025 by a 2-1 margin, Episcopal Church bishops on July 14 offered various interpretations when asked about the measure's purpose, its impact and why they voted for or against it.

All those interviewed agreed that the declaration makes a dramatic statement about the Episcopal Church's stance on the ordination of gay and lesbian persons -- including their consecration as bishops -- that cannot be ignored.

"We've made ourselves pretty clear," said Keith Whitmore, assistant bishop of Atlanta, who voted for the resolution. "The consequences of doing that are rather obvious."
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"There will be some people who choose to leave the church and some who will have a very, very hard time with it. But I don't see it, as I read it, as strident and difficult as some people suggest it might be, because there's a graciousness about it."

Though the Archbishop of Canterbury has stated this will split the Church with Anglicans to one side and Episcopals on the other, the obvious question is how long until the homosexual incursion on the teaching of Christ succeeds?

On Rowan Williams:
It is very difficult to avoid the conclusion that Williams' drawing back from being an advocate of the homosexual agenda when he became Archbishop of Canterbury was simply tactical. His contribution to the movement previously had been immense, not least through his seminal lecture 'The Body's Grace' of 1989 which lent the Lesbian and Gay Christian Movement (LGCM) theological respectability. At the time of his appointment, the Rev'd Richard Kirker, then General Secretary of the LGCM, issued a press statement noting that 'For over 20 years Rowan Williams, a noted theologian, academic and author, has eloquently advocated that Christianity and homosexuality should be viewed as wholly consistent with each other.'

The Episcopal Church has strayed into heresy and Canterbury is simply sniffing the wind to see if it's safe to follow. Sad.

Must Be An Episcopal

Bishop says people should be able to have sex, smoke in their private office

No word on Clinton endorsement. Yet.

Church Of England Completes Scrip For Scripture Trade

Church of England puts its faith in Al Gore's investment arm
The Church of England’s Church Commissioners have gone green, investing £150 million with former US Vice-President Al Gore’s environmentally minded investment firm, Generation Investment Management.

Al Gore, the new Archbishop of Ranterbury and Dr Rowan Williams will both wear green burqas as they sit in one of the palaces and count their money.

The Money Changers
Jesus referred to the Temple as the "House of God" and called it a "House of Prayer," not just for the Jews, but for all nations. When Jesus arrived with the mass of pilgrims, He overturned the tables and called it a den of thieves and a house of merchandise. The Temple was in some sense the national bank. It was a great public treasury with vaults containing immense stores of private wealth. These deposits never sat idle, but were loaned at high rates of interest.

Kermit, "It's not easy being green"..."it's beautiful, and I think it's what I want to be."

Being fashionable is just easier, I guess. That whole Bible thing is so confusing.

Suicide Is Painless

But shouldn't religious bodies be against it?

Church Votes For Women Bishops
Members of its General Synod threw out compromise proposals on females in senior ranks.
All safeguards demanded by traditionalists were rejected.

Sky News correspondent Mike McCarthy said: "It's a historic and very significant moment for the Church of England.

"The real test now is how many people will leave (the Church). There are certainly going to be many wrestling with their consciences."

Aren't these the same that implied evangelicals are rubes because they refused to compromise? Of course, evangelicals believe the Bible is the word of God. Unlike the Anglican intellectuals.

All that glitters...

Rowan Is Rowing With One Oar

The gathering storm
An archbishop's outburst highlights a broader crisis in his church

“ANGLICANISM, it seems, is coming apart. It is ceasing to be, it is disintegrating...” Those cheery words, uttered two weeks ago by an American bishop, Robert Duncan of Pittsburgh, drew cries of approval from traditionalists across the world who have little sympathy with the efforts of Rowan Williams, the Archbishop of Canterbury, to hold together the 80m-strong worldwide Anglican Communion.

The American prelate went on to predict that out of the fall of the “Elizabethan settlement” (the 16th-century bargain between the Tudor monarchs and England's national church) something truer to Christianity's roots would emerge, presumably based on an alliance between America's conservative minority, the Africans and evangelicals in other places like Australia.

Go here to read the rest. It almost reads as an obituary. Does that mean Rowan gets 72 virgins or a comped date with Sharia?

Archbishop Must Think Sharia Is A Gay Clergyman's Name

Adoption of Islamic Sharia law in Britain is 'unavoidable', says Archbishop of Canterbury

The Archbishop of Canterbury has today said that the adoption of Islamic Sharia law in the UK is "unavoidable" and that it would help maintain social cohesion.

Rowan Williams told BBC Radio 4's World At One that the UK has to "face up to the fact" that some of its citizens do not relate to the British legal system.

He says that Muslims could choose to have marital disputes or financial matters dealt with in a Sharia court.

He says Muslims should not have to choose between "the stark alternatives of cultural loyalty or state loyalty".

Maybe Rowan can get his buddy, the deadly doctor of Syria, President Bashar al-Assad , to get Islam on board for his next secret gay clergy and partners funfest and communion and memorial for Arafat. Then the archbishop of Canterbury can see up close the stark alternatives of having versus losing one's head when gays are introduced to Sharia. Maybe Rowan is thinking of having Canterbury become a haven as a Sharia Free Zone. It's already a Christianity Free Zone.

Need Spiritual 911 For Episcopal 666

Coincidence?

DEVILISH DEBATE: CHURCH MOTION GETS THE NUMBER 666
Eyebrows were raised in Britain's House of Commons yesterday when a motion calling for the Church of England to be disestablished was listed with the number 666, symbol of the Antichrist.

"This number is supposed to be the mark of the Devil. It looks as though God or the Devil have been moving in mysterious ways," said Bob Russell, a Liberal Democrat lawmaker among those proposing the motion for debate.

"What is even stranger is that this motion was tabled last night when MPs were debating blasphemy," he added.

The motion calls for an end to the formal link between church and state in England - embodied in the Queen, who is both head of state and head of the Church of England.

Nah, but apt.

Archbishop Rowan (& Martin) Williams Kills Kiddy Kristmas

Williams, continuing his vaudeville act, shows why he is the MC for the fastest dwindling religious group this side of the Shakers.

Archbishop says nativity 'a legend'

The Archbishop of Canterbury said yesterday that the Christmas story of the Three Wise Men was nothing but a 'legend'.

Dr Rowan Williams has claimed there was little evidence that the Magi even existed and there was certainly nothing to prove there were three of them or that they were kings.

Dr Williams argued that the traditional Christmas story was nothing but a 'legend'
He said the only reference to the wise men from the East was in Matthew's gospel and the details were very vague. Dr Williams said: "Matthew's gospel says they are astrologers, wise men, priests from somewhere outside the Roman Empire, that's all we're really told. It works quite well as legend."

The Archbishop went on to dispel other details of the Christmas story, adding that there were probably no asses or oxen in the stable.

He argued that Christmas cards which showed the Virgin Mary cradling the baby Jesus, flanked by shepherds and wise men, were misleading. As for the scenes that depicted snow falling in Bethlehem, the Archbishop said the chance of this was "very unlikely".

So, Mr. Williams you earn the Flying Fickle Finger of Fate award this week for insight into how to win friends and influence people. Soon you'll have your wish to sit in empty episcopal churches everywhere hissing into the dark, "It's mine, all mine. Mine!"

Archbishop of Canterbury: Imperial Act Of Arrogance

This guy should be the Bishop of Wankerbury. If the modern church is representative of its leaders, the good Bishop is lacking in belief, not arrogance. If his statements in the article below are representative of his political knowledge, Archbishop Williams should be presiding over the fastest dwindling, most arrogant and least effective church. If so, they are a perfect match, Anglican representative Williams.

US is‘worst’ imperialist: archbishop

THE Archbishop of Canterbury has said that the United States wields its
power in a way that is worse than Britain during its imperial heyday.

Rowan Williams claimed that America’s attempt to intervene overseas by
“clearing the decks” with a “quick burst of violent action” had led to “the
worst of all worlds”.

In a wide-ranging interview with a British Muslim magazine, the Anglican
leader linked criticism of the United States to one of his most pessimistic
declarations about the state of western civilisation.

He said the crisis was caused not just by America’s actions but also by
its misguided sense of its own mission. He poured scorn on the “chosen nation
myth of America, meaning that what happens in America is very much at the heart
of God’s purpose for humanity”.

In Williams' "modern church", liturgy, politics and morals must all match his church's interpretation of the Bible and theology. It must do so because the "modern church" is more interested of social activism and social justice than the word of God. Its newest mission is secular because, in my opinion, they really do not believe in God anymore than they believe in the Great Pumpkin.

I know it would deject them to lose so much great architecture, religious baubles and some outstanding real estate, but the Church of England ought to just cut to the chase and become Unitarians. Think of all the money they could save not having to make cross purchases.

Williams went beyond his previous critique of the conduct of the war on
terror, saying the United States had lost the moral high ground since September
11. He urged it to launch a “generous and intelligent programme of aid directed
to the societies that have been ravaged; a check on the economic exploitation of
defeated territories; a demilitarisation of their presence”.

He went on to suggest that the West was fundamentally adrift:
“Our modern western definition of humanity is clearly not working very well.
There is something about western modernity which really does eat away at the
soul.”

Bishop, buddy, friend, who's adrift here? Your church is, and England probably is too, which doesn't quite give you solid ground to stand on to judge who has the moral high and low ground. Where do you stand Bishop Williams when an Imam preaches murder and someone reports it only to be charged with a hate crime for saying "nasty" things about Muslims?

In the interview in Emel, a Muslim lifestyle
magazine, Williams makes only mild criticisms of the Islamic world. He said the
Muslim world must acknowledge that its “political solutions were not the most
impressive”.

He commends the Muslim practice of praying five times a day, which he
says allows the remembrance of God to be “built in deeply in their daily
rhythm”.

Let's do a short recap Bishop: 9/11, centuries of murder and war, subjugation and belittlement of women, hatred of non Muslims and praying five times a day gives Muslims rhythm which makes them good. Are you referring to Marvin Gaye or a metronome beating the constant beat of western civilization ceding principle and morals in a vain attempt to gain the high intellectual ground?

Free Christian nations fighting back after being attacked, deposing dictators and freeing millions and helping build and rebuild nations to join the family of democracy makes them bad.

You are an egotistical maniac attempting to be an hegemonic "intellectual" leader. Unfortunately, I think really that you are a sad buffoon that stayed at the party too long and forgot why you came in the first place.

Episcopal VS The Truth

Stand For Your Beliefs . . . or not . . .

But just as the left wishes to continually reinterpret the Constitution,
(calling it a living, breathing document - which really means anything goes if
you twist the words enough) they now wish to reinterpret even the words of our
Father in Heaven.

The church in which I grew and grew up in is a hollow shell bereft of the great theology and priests who guided us (many times with a paddle and boxing gloves) through the pitfalls of life. When first asked, by Father Bowling, "What would Christ do?" when I had committed an infraction, I was stunned. Nobody had asked that before. Even my sixth grade mind understood the question. And the import of the question.

Up is not down and red is not blue. Even the Episcopal Church should have the where-with-all to grasp this.

Hate the sin, love the sinner. Pretty simple, eh?

via And You Thought You Were Cranky from CommonSenseAmerica
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Episcopals United Against Jesus and Victory in Iraq

Okay, I was on the high seas of Erie which means my cell and my puter didn't work. Thankfully the bottle opener, the on board grill and the compass did. My best friend and his wife, both liberals of the nth degree, graciously invited my wife and I for a long sail, good conversation and vast amounts of fun with drink, food and friends and no politics.

Bonus points were scored when mRed Jr (who has me by 4"s) and girlfriend joined us all on Kelley's Island where he immediately brought up just how stupid liberals were for wanting to lose in Iraq. The wife and I immediately ran for the bar as a Canadian couple joined the ensuing argument over Amerinazis. My friend, who is a practicing non-practicing Episcopalian, and wife quickly joined us to commence a nonstop communion of shots stated that the Church we both grew up in had become a joke which made the communion quip relevant. I let it slide until this morning I came across this article.

Episcopal priest suspended after saying she also is Muslim

The Rev. Ann Holmes Redding must take a year from her position at
Seattle's St. Mark's Episcopal Cathedral and should "reflect on the doctrines of
the Christian faith, her vocation as a priest, and what I see as the conflicts
inherent in professing both Christianity and Islam," the Rt. Rev. Geralyn Wolf,
bishop of the Diocese of Rhode Island, wrote in an e-mail to church
leaders.

dotdotdot

"Since entering Islam," she told the newspaper, "I have been, by my own
estimation, a better teacher, a better preacher and a better
Christian."

dotdotdot

Since being suspended from the priesthood, Redding said, she realizes
many believe "the last thing the church needs to deal with at this time is this
type of doctrinal dispute. I wish it could've been at a more convenient time,
but as far as I know I am responding to God's will and God's timing."

Doctrinal dispute? Convenient time? God's will? Does this babe moonlight as a vegan reviewer for Ruth's Chris?

No wonder the episcopal church is no longer a Church.

My son made the Canadians beat a hasty retreat by using facts and joined us. It was fun and even my friend and his wife had to chuckle.

Did I mention his girlfriend is smart and beautiful.