Republicans Lost Issue 2 In Ohio All by Themselves

Unions spent $30 million spewing lies about SB 5. Republican supporters of SB 5 knew they would, but didn't match the attack dollar for dollar nor did they effectively counter the outright lies of the in-state and mostly out of state unions. As professors and teachers cajoled their students to vote no and unions used the media to spread the lie that police, teachers, firemen and services would be sliced leaving citizens vulnerable to murder and mayhem with children wandering the street even more ignorant than they are now, Republican leaders did little to counter the lies. What they did do they did a day late and a dollar short.

This will hurt Gov Kasich. Even though the major dailies supported Issue 2 in their editorial pages they also ran anti-Kasich stories on a daily basis. After the public beating Kasich has received at the hands of the copy and paste (from the AP) newsroom reporters the support Issue 2 group still made him the front man for success. That will hurt Kasich even more.

The biggest loser, besides the voters stuck with the bill for the public sector union boondoggle, will be the cities and towns of Ohio. Even before the vote this localities were spending up to 80% of their budgets to pay the salaries, benefits and perks of union workers. We'll all be stuck with their bill. Republicans can make a check next to their name for this loss.

We did send Obama a mud pie on Issue 3, which was a toothless issue, but did reject ObamaCare soundly. We'll still have that, I guess.

SB 5 Will Save Ohioans Over $1.19 Billion Annually

That's a lot of buckeyes.

Analysis Shows SB 5 Would Save Money

COLUMBUS, Ohio (WTVN) -- Ohio government analysts are estimating a new collective bargaining law could save the state about $191 million each year. And they say school districts, townships and other local governments could see more than $1 billion in savings annually.

The figures were released Monday by the state's Department of Administrative Services. The estimates were based on parts of the law dealing with health care costs and wages. The measure prohibits employers from paying more than 85 percent of workers' health insurance costs. It also gets rid of automatic pay increases and pay based on length of service.

I wish my employer paid 85% of my health insurance costs. You go Governor John! This is why we elected you.

Separation Of Churl & State

Since liberals and progressives like to use letters in place of the constitution as was done by KKK'er, Hugo Black, I think we can use a letter by Franklin Delano Roosevelt concerning public sector unions and collective bargaining.

My dear Mr. Steward:
As I am unable to accept your kind invitation to be present on the occasion of the Twentieth Jubilee Convention of the National Federation of Federal Employees, I am taking this method of sending greetings and a message.


Reading your letter of July 14, 1937, I was especially interested in the timeliness of your remark that the manner in which the activities of your organization have been carried on during the past two decades "has been in complete consonance with the best traditions of public employee relationships." Organizations of Government employees have a logical place in Government affairs.


The desire of Government employees for fair and adequate pay, reasonable hours of work, safe and suitable working conditions, development of opportunities for advancement, facilities for fair and impartial consideration and review of grievances, and other objectives of a proper employee relations policy, is basically no different from that of employees in private industry. Organization on their part to present their views on such matters is both natural and logical, but meticulous attention should be paid to the special relationships and obligations of public servants to the public itself and to the Government.


All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management. The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations. The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives in Congress. Accordingly, administrative officials and employees alike are governed and guided, and in many instances restricted, by laws which establish policies, procedures, or rules in personnel matters.


Particularly, I want to emphasize my conviction that militant tactics have no place in the functions of any organization of Government employees. Upon employees in the Federal service rests the obligation to serve the whole people, whose interests and welfare require orderliness and continuity in the conduct of Government activities. This obligation is paramount. Since their own services have to do with the functioning of the Government, a strike of public employees manifests nothing less than an intent on their part to prevent or obstruct the operations of Government until their demands are satisfied. Such action, looking toward the paralysis of Government by those who have sworn to support it, is unthinkable and intolerable. It is, therefore, with a feeling of gratification that I have noted in the constitution of the National Federation of Federal Employees the provision that "under no circumstances shall this Federation engage in or support strikes against the United States Government."


I congratulate the National Federation of Federal Employees the twentieth anniversary of its founding and trust that the convention will, in every way, be successful.
Very sincerely yours,

Churls now presume to extract that which doesn't belong to them, power over the public purse and demands that the people pay for this excess. The same Hugo Black wrote, not in a letter, on this abuse by groups on the mass of citizens.

"I cannot consider the Bill of Rights to be an outworn 18th century 'strait jacket.' ... Its provisions may be thought outdated abstractions by some. And it is true that they were designed to meet ancient evils. But they are the same kind of human evils that have emerged from century to century wherever excessive power is sought by the few at the expense of the many."


Indeed, human evils seeking excessive power for the few at the expense of the many may be stated as the separation of churls & state. Let it be done.

SB 5 Absolute Stupidity: Ohio Senate Republicans Betray The Voters And The State

This is absolute betrayal by Republican senators with no ear and no guts. There will be collective bargaining on salaries. They've gutted SB 5 and they have gutted us, the voter, but they'll waste our time by telling us that they haven't wavered. The hell they haven't.

They have betrayed the 2010 elections and if they aren't smart enough to understand that then they should get the hell out of the way and let those that do understand what the voters want to lead. This is mind boggling in its stupidity. It is stupidity on so many levels. They just handed unions and liberals a victory no matter how they try to spin it. How dare they!

Jason Mauk, spokesperson for the Ohio Senate Majority Caucus and Ohio Senate President Tom Niehaus(R-New Richmond) said a group of Republicans have agreed to the changes to Senate Bill 5. That group includes Niehaus, Senate Bill 5 sponsor Sen. Shannon Jones (R-Springsboro) and Sen. Kevin Bacon (R-Worthington), who chairs the Senate Insurance, Commerce and Labor Committee that has held hearings onSenate Bill 5.

Under the changes, state employees could collectively bargain for pay issues, but not for health care, workplace conditions or other issues. Additionally, the bill would reflect Governor John Kasich's desire to outlaw strikes by public employees at the local and state levels

Liberals are already rejoicing. They should be because this is capitulation. There should be no public sector unions and there definitely should not be collective bargaining of any type. We have been stabbed in the back by our own party and that really stinks.