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Thinking about all the talk about words, their meanings and the uncivil way in which they are used in politics I went over to the leading (Democratic - gotta get that Ic in there) blogger, The Dailey Kos.

There I found a discussion group on my first click named;

BurtWorm (1000+ posts)
Wed Mar-07-07 03:05 PMOriginal message
dkos: Evangelicals nauseated by Rudy's sluttiness

rurallib (1000+ posts)
Wed Mar-07-07 03:07 PMResponse to Original message

1. I think Rudi is only running because he heard that the Pres
can score some primo tail.

Old Crusoe (1000+ posts)
Wed Mar-07-07 03:07 PMResponse to Original message

2. It's actually a fool's errand to find much of anything positive about Rudy
Giuliani. I'm not sure I'd single out his clumsy marriage record as the sole transgression. There are MANY others to choose from. On the other hand, I don't pay much attention to Mr. Land. His outfit sows discord and fear in this country, and the less of him the better, IMO.

YOY (1000+ posts)
Wed Mar-07-07 03:07 PMResponse to Original message

3. I'm sure they don't like that he is Catholic either
but don't have the balls to come on out and say it.Not to defend Rudy...

MGD (1000+ posts)
Wed Mar-07-07 03:09 PMResponse to Original message

4. No mention of the fact that his first wife was his second cousin?
Edited on Wed Mar-07-07 03:09 PM by MGD
I guess the evangelicals don't have a problem with that.edit typo

BOSSHOG (1000+ posts)
Wed Mar-07-07 03:09 PMResponse to Original message

5. Please christians share your nausea
about the divorce rates and incest of your own members. How bout the porn star sex of your kids who have promised to remain virgins. Maybe you can draft Ted Haggard to run for president. Or that great face of the "christian" movement in America Marc Foley. Or that maintainer of the sanctity of marriage, rush limbaugh. Maybe dobson can take you all into his shower and show you his penis and make everything alright. I'll never vote for a republican for anything but I believe giuliani has more integrity and is of a higher moral standing then any spokesmen of focus on the family, and giuliani is a scum bag.

BurtWorm (1000+ posts)
Wed Mar-07-07 03:21 PMResponse to Reply #5

9. Well said, BOSSHOG!

helderheid (1000+ posts)
Wed Mar-07-07 03:12 PMResponse to Original message

6. I thought this was going to be about his drag show:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4IrE6FMpai8

Sapere aude (1000+ posts)
Wed Mar-07-07 03:13 PMResponse to Original message

7. Yeah, like everyone of those evangelicals is a fucking saint !
Sluttiness! Give me a break, they probably stay married but sleep around. "Bet you got a chick on the side, Ah!"

skiddlybop (204 posts)
Wed Mar-07-07 03:14 PMResponse to Original message
8. Does this make him...
a little bit nutty, a little bit slutty?

I do not believe they have earned the right to lecture others on the subject of slurs. That is not to say they do not have the right, they do, but they haven't earned it.

I find that not having peers or friends like this makes me a very lucky man.

Father-Daughter Talk

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Father-Daughter Talk

A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like somany others her age, she considered herself to be a very liberal Democrat,and among other liberal ideals, was very much in favor of higher taxes tosupport more government programs, in other words redistribution ofwealth.

She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch Republican,a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures that she hadparticipated in, and the occasional chat with a professor, she feltthat her father had for years harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep whathe thought should be his.

One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to highertaxes on the rich and the need for more government programs. Theself-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be thetruth and she indicated so to her father. He responded by asking howshe was doing in school.

Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, andlet him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she wastaking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying, which lefther no time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn't evenhave time for a boyfriend, and didn't really have many college friendsbecause she spent all her time studying.

Her father listened and then asked, "How is your friend Audrey doing ?"She replied, "Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easyclasses, she never studies, and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is sopopular on campus; college for her is a blast. She's always invited toall the parties, and lots of times she doesn't even show up for classesbecause she's too hung over."

Her wise father asked his daughter, "Why don't you go to the Dean'soffice and ask him to deduct a 1.0 off your GPA and give it to yourfriend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA andcertainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA."

The daughter, visibly shocked by her father's suggestion, angrily firedback, "That's a crazy idea, how would that be fair! I've worked reallyhard for my grades! I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I
worked my tail off!"

The father slowly smiled, winked, and said gently, " Welcome to theRepublican party."

Copperhead Democrats Now and Then

I came upon this while doing some research. I grew up hearing about the crisis at "The Crisis" and that while free speech is a must, a clear head about what some free speech is really on about is also a must for the freedom of free speech. In this case, a group of appeasers, many in the press and on the pulpit, would have allowed the Union to be broken in the name of what they, not the nation, believed.

THE MOBBING OF THE CRISIS
by EUGENE H. ROSEBOOM
Professor of History, Ohio
State University

On the night of March 5, 1863, in the midst of the Civil
War, the capital city of Ohio was the scene of a species of violence
that had more than local significance. The office of Samuel
Medary's Crisis, a weekly newspaper that had won both national
acclaim and condemnation for its opposition to the war, was
wrecked by a crowd of armed men. Some writers have
attributed the act to soldiers, others to soldiers and civilians; nearly
all explain it as the work of a mob. A bit of contemporary evidence
has come to light which reveals clearly who the participants were
and which raises doubts as to the accuracy of the use of the word
"mob" in describing the attack.

[...]

Military arrests of allegedly disloyal editors and the more
illegal destruction of their presses in the years 1862-64 were
practices that became far too common in a nation that had prided
itself on the complete freedom of its press.2 The stresses of a
great civil war loosed passions Americans had never felt before,
and the term "Copperhead" became synonymous with
"Confederate" to those who believed that the Union could be saved
only by victory on the field of battle. The soldiers in particular
were incensed at the peace advocates. They blamed Copperheadism
for prolonging the war by encouraging the belief in the South
that the North was divided and that an armed uprising might
occur which would bring about the overthrow of the Lincoln
administration and make possible a Confederate victory.

In the house I grew up in the term Copperhead was uttered with contempt by my southern mother and my staunchly Yankee father. Copperhead was synonymous with traitor.


In 1861,

Mayor Fernando Wood denounced the Lincoln administration and
contemplated New York secession, proposing a separate republic on Manhattan
island. Two years later, amid the horrific racial violence of the draft
riots, Governor Horatio Seymour openly sympathized with white rioters,
voicing an unrepentant Copperhead vision of the war.


As the Pulitzer-Prize winning book, Gotham described, “in the fall 1862
elections, after the Preliminary Proclamation, Peace Democrats bid for power.
In the city, ex-mayor Wood and his supporters denounced the administration
as ‘fanatical, imbecile, and corrupt’ and openly urged resistance to
emancipation. At the state level, Peace Democrat Horatio Seymour (allied to
New York Central Railroad interests) adopted a similar stance, favoring
restoration of the Union by granting all possible concessions to the South.
Both resorted to a shrill racism, protesting that emancipation substituted
‘niggerism for nationality.’ In the context of growing unhappiness with the
costs of war, Democrats carried every ward in the city, Wood won a
congressional seat, and Seymour captured the governorship.

NYC politics haven't changed much.

Pamphleteers attacked the rising war debt, the government’s military
strategy, and the Republican Party’s centralizing project and agitated for a
negotiated peace and a revocation of emancipation. Belmont also promoted
these ideas in the New York World, a newspaper edited by
twenty-seven-year-old Manton Marble, which he, Tilden, and other rich
Democrats underwrote.

In addition, in his capacity as Democratic Party national chairman, Belmont
began grooming the cashiered General George McClellan to challenge Lincoln in
1864. After being fired, McClellan moved to New York City and began working
with Chairman Belmont on building a presidential candidacy. He took with him
as his aide Lieutenant George Armstrong Custer, who now received his first
introduction to the financial, political, and journalistic elite of the
metropolis.

Nor has the politics of disgruntled Generals as dupes.

While the Society for the Diffusion of Political Knowledge took the
(relatively) high road, the popular press launched a gloves-off campaign that
mixed racism, solidarity with labor, attacks on war profiteers, and,
increasingly, calls for peace. At various points the Lincoln administration
banned “Copperhead” papers from the mails. Republican infringements of civil
liberties generated more support for Peace Democrats. The Lincoln
administration suspended habeas corpus and arrested or detained hundreds. In
New York City political prisoners were housed in Fort Lafayette, just off the
Brooklyn shore from Fort Hamilton. When Ohio Democrat Clement L. Valandigham
was indicted for seditious oratory, Fernando Wood chaired a meeting at Cooper
Institute in his support.

June 1863 was the high point of antiwar activism in the city. Wood held a
massive Peace Convention at Cooper Union on June 3-of which James
Gordon Bennett’s Herald approved, auguring a new respectability-and orators
pounded home the ideas that the war was a rich man’s fight, that it was
undermining the Constitution, and that it would flood the North with southern
blacks.”

Little has changed. Rich men extolling to the mob just how disgusted they are that this is a rich man's war, the administration is corrupt and coddles its war profiteering friends as the copperheads profit from their opposition in hopes of further wealth, and, as always, any President that doesn't see the world through the true prism of their truth is an "imbecile".

What true men fight for is freedom. Copperheads then and today are not true men.

Eyewitness reports from Alamo debacle

The Alamo in San Antonio, Texas, falls to Mexican forces after a 13-day siege resulting in 187 Texan deaths and 1,544 Mexican deaths. March 6, 1836

Democrats declare Texas Folly unwinnable, demand subpoenas be issued.

American insults replied to after Mexican diplomacy rejected.

On our side we suffered heavy losses both of officers and troops, and about
200 wounded, a regrettable loss but small if one considers the strong position
of the enemy and its kind. The former insult which we have received has been
avenged. His Excellency the President made a beautiful speech to all of the
divisions inside the Alamo in view of the dead enemies, and is pleased with everyone's behavior.
anonymous Mexican soldier

Women witness troop violence.

They were even raised on the points of the enemy's lances, let down and raised
again and again, whilst invoking as a favor, instantaneous death to terminate
their anguish, till they were at last too weak to speak, and then expired in
convulsion. Susanna Dickinson

Washington may BURN!

Santa Anna took much notice of him, and questioned him about Texas and the state
of the army.-Among other things, he asked if there were many soldiers from the
United States in the army, and if more were expected? On being answered in the
affirmative, he sneeringly said he had men enough to march to the city of
Washington if he chose. Joe.

Right wing ex-Congressman met his match.

This was the fate of poor Crockett, and in which there can be no mistake.
Who the five others were, I have not been able to learn. Three other wounded
prisoners were discovered and brought before "His Excellency," and were ordered
to be instantly shot. There are certain reasons why the name of the narrator of
these events should not be made known. I will only repeat that he was an
eye-witness. anonymous Source: Morning Courier and New York Enquirer on July 9, 1836

Melee, confused troops and lack of will belies no government plan for post battle.

Sixty-two Texans who sallied from the east side of the fort, were received
by the Lancers and all killed. Only one of these made resistance; a very active
man, armed with a double barrel gun and a single-barrel pistol, with which he
killed a corporal of the Lancers named Eugenio. These were all killed by the
lance, except one, who ensconced himself under a bush and it was necessary to
shoot him. Manuel Loranca (Mexican Sergeant)

Hatred of Americans grow with each day of insurgency and occupation.

So there was not a man left. Even a cat that was soon after seen running
through the fort, was shot, as the soldiers exclaimed: "It is not a cat, but an
American."

The slain were collected in a pile and burnt.

Fernando Urriza (Mexican Colonel)

Congressional panel concludes Texas War lost. Love of troops cited as need for immediate withdrawal.

(Note: Repeated requests for interviews with American troops went unanswered.)

France bans citizen journalists from reporting violence

There woulda been a serious fine if this vote had been filmed.

The French Constitutional Council has approved a law that criminalizes the
filming or broadcasting of acts of violence by people other than professional journalists.

Got an extra $98,537 and up to five years? Their Muslim problem is just symptomatic of their greater problem. Being French.

Update: Dan Collins call your office. There's an official lookin envelope from gay Paree just in for you. You and Rod majors.